manual vacuum aspiration

They say it’s good to warm up with a joke – skip if you are easily offended because REALLY sick humor is one of the things getting us through right now:

WES: (last night) Is there anything I can do for you?

ME: You don’t by any chance know how to perform a manual vacuum aspiration, do you?

WES: Let me get the Dyson.

ME: Yeah, I’m pretty sure there’s a setting for that.
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So. Surprise – it’s done.

I went to work today. That may seem crazy to you, but I really barely considered staying home. The idea of just sitting around the house, even if a friend came over, was hideous (Please excuse the number of times I will most likely use the word hideous in this post. It just fits). Far better to go brain dead and sit in meetings. I am pleased to report that I was correct. I made it through meeting after meeting and felt "better" (if such a term can be used today) with each one.

The other reason I wanted to go to work was to get the untelling over with. I untold everyone, including people who hadn’t yet heard I was pregnant. Anyone who noticed… well, what I looked like today… and asked what was wrong, I told. And the amazing fact was that 75% of the time, it helped. This is because the majority of women I told felt moved to tell me that they had also had a miscarriage or two. I swear to you this happened at least five times. I knew they were common – four friends have had one in the past couple of years – but it really was striking with the random middle aged co-workers.

And now – WHAT NOT TO SAY TO A PERSON WHO TELLS YOU THEY ARE MISCARRYING.
"At least you can get pregnant!"
I swear that it seemed like anyone who had NOT had a miscarriage let this line fly. One of them, a very recent new mommy, let it fly before an "I’m sorry" even passed through her lips – "But you got pregnant!" Indeed.

This. Is. Not. Helpful. At. All.

I have to say that I even prefer those people who say, "It happened for a reason." Because there’s a good chance they’re right. There is a good chance that there was something chromosomally wrong with The Penguin. And if so, this was a "blessing", nature, The Right Thing. We all know how Wes and I would have responded to finding this out later – same result, far more hideousness.

And does anyone else find it weird that I started REALLY freaking out about genetic testing stuff on Thursday, which is the day the baby probably died? Does anyone else think some tiny part of my brain knew something was up? Does anyone find it REALLY weird that my sister dreamt, on Saturday night, that I had had a miscarriage and had to have it suctioned out? Yeah. We do.

OK. So, to continue, I am TOTALLY NUMB today. Except for one rather impressive case of Losing It Bigtime in the OB waiting room (BABIES _ EVERYWHERE_I’M_NOT_KIDDING), I held it together like crazy today and it wasn’t even that hard. I expect to lose my mind sometime in the next six weeks. Stay tuned.

Now… I want to write down what it was like for two reasons – one, I know that I will start to block this day from my memory (if that’s possbile) and I think having the details is important. And two, there weren’t a lot of MVA play-by-plays out there when I was searching. What I found last night was page after page about abortion, with maybe a paragraph here and there about how it is also used for missed miscarriages.

I had a "missed miscarriage" at 8 weeks 2 days and this was discovered when I was supposedly 9 weeks along (yesterday).  This means I had no bleeding, no decrease in pregnancy symptoms (though in retrospect maybe my boobs got a little eensy bit less sore), and no warning whatsoever that anything was wrong. I was not even expecting to have an ultrasound yesterday, as I had seen the heartbeat 8 days earlier and thought I would be waiting for the 12 week nuchal stuff. Fortunately, this practice I stumbled into (yesterday was the first time I had been there) is TRULY AWESOME and follows my lead on everything. When I said that I’d rather they understand what’s up (they had trouble with the printout from my RE) and that I would love a chance to see the heartbeat again, they were right there with me.

They not only have an ultrasound room at this office, but also a dedicated sonographer whose job is to do this all day. I have had to tell myself this several times ("she must see this all the time, right?") because what happened with the sonographer made me realize what a hideous job that can be. Happy sometimes, yes. But also sometimes hideous.

I sort of knew immediately. I just saw the heartbeat last week. Fluttery, strange. I knew what to look for. I also knew the baby should be moving around a bit by now. It was immediately clear that there was no movement at all and no fluttery blinking heartbeat. The machine has a cool little screen just for the patient to look at, and I looked closely. Eventually I said, "Is there a heartbeat?" But I kind of knew.

She took a deep breath and exhaled loud. She poked around a little more. She pushed the wand in harder to look closer. Finally she said, in an incredibly sympathetic voice, "I don’t see a heartbeat. I am so sorry."

She did some really rapid measurements of my uterus as I started to lose it. She was done by the time I was really out of my head. I sat up too fast and half fell off the table, sliding to nearly be on the floor as I started to wail, animal-like. The only thing I can compare it to was the one year anniversary of my mother’s death, when I just lost it and scream-cried for hours. While she was finishing up, I grabbed my cell phone and called Wes, crying into the phone that the baby was gone and he needed to come there. He hung up immediately to leave his office.

The sonographer went to see the midwife and then took me to her. They put me in an exam room and I sat on the little seat and just wailed. WAILED. It is a wonder I didn’t have an asthma attack. The midwife came in and was extremely compassionate and sympathetic and wonderful. I was having a hard time calming down, so even though I told her I wanted to hear my options for the whole miscarriage thing and didn’t need to wait for Wes, she just gave me a quick overview and then left me alone. Which was perfect. I did need Wes there. In fact, even when Wes arrived 20 or 30 minutes later, and I had calmed into some sort of creepy zombie state, I couldn’t make up my mind between the Misoprostol to bring on a miscarriage at home or the MVA that she explained to be a much milder procedure than the D&C I thought she would offer. She told us it was a manual vacuum that pumped out the contents of the uterus and while there was cramping and pain for a few moments, there was really no recovery time at all and it would be over fast. She looked at my face and said I should sleep on it and call her in the morning. And I will just say several more times that this. midwife. rocks.

By the time we were home, we had basically decided. I poked around the Internet and found all the abortion stuff and felt sad. I read about the home miscarriage stuff and how painful and bloody and scary it could be. I thought about the fact that my fibro acts up every single month with my day of bad period cramps and this could be days of that but worse. I called a friend who’d had one. But basically, fast predictable pain and fast getting-it-over-with was a pretty easy decision. We also realized that maybe it would mean they could do the chromosomal tests to see what was up and that would be invaluable in helping us as we move forward with possible future tries (don’t ask – I don’t know – probably – couldn’t tell you when).

I cried a lot when we finally got to bed, but a huge part of the tears was my utter fear of the procedure even though I knew it was the right choice. I really did not enjoy my HSG and that was rapid and really mild. I knew this would be a hell of a lot worse and I. was. scared.

I also woke up at 3 am and was then completely unable to get the image of the dead baby sonogram out of my head. It was like a horror movie. I woke Wes up and we hugged and hugged and then he made me toast and I fell back to sleep by 4:30, vowing to take my fibro medication the next night so I could sleep through.

So today. I was at work, I called the midwife (in between constant untelling) and she called me back and I told her we’d decided on the MVA. She said she would schedule it and call me back and it would most likely be Friday. Not sure what to expect, I thought Friday was best because I’d have Labor Day weekend to recover.

But a few hours later, when I was in another meeting, she called to ask if I could come in right away and do it today. At first I wavered, as I had already counted on getting two days of work in, taking advantage of the numbness to get my SAD library under control (boxes of books. everywhere. awful.). But she said that there were 2 doctors in and that would just be that much safer and that convinced me to duck out of my meeting and head for the subway.

I had to go right away because I had to have something (maybe Misoprostol, actually) inserted into the vagina to "ripen" (soften) the cervix so it would be easier to put the tube in. It needed to be in two hours before the procedure. She did that and gave me prescriptions for one valium pill and two antibiotic pills. She also instructed me to get Motrin and take some and I remembered to get the Motrin but didn’t take it until right after when they realized I hadn’t taken it. But it was fine. I also remembered to get pads, which will be my closest friends for possibly the next two weeks (ACK ACK).

I went back to the office after popping the antibiotic. Wes met me and we sat in front of the office (which is in Soho) watching people go by. I took the valium. When I started to feel a tad woozy, we went up to the offices and were taken to a room to wait, as by now the whole office knew that I was The Woman Who Cries When Faced With Baby Carriages.

The procedure was going to be at 4:30. At about 4:25, a nurse came and took me to the sonogram room. A few minutes later, the nurse, the midwife and one of the doctors (the one LaGiulia originally referred me to, actually) came in. The midwife’s only role was to stand next to me and help me stay calm. She was magnificent.

They put a paper sheet over my knees and it acted as a curtain so I couldn’t see what was going on. They turned the nifty little patient screen away from me so I couldn’t see that either. She used the dildo-cam to look at the embryo again and said that it actually looked like it was getting smaller (reabsorbing, as Estelle mentioned yesterday, only not in a way that would have resolved well on its own). This sort of helped because it seemed so disgusting to me.

This is as good a place as any for this fact – there was something entirely animal-like about this whole thing for me. I went from happy mommy one who is pregnant with a precious baby to EWWWWWW get the dead baby out of me. In about an hour. It was, by the time I walked out of the office, revolting to me. I. wanted. it. out. So anything that helped my really gross feeling about it was fine. I am sure that the emotional stuff will hit hard and I know I will have to grieve the loss of the baby we might have had. But on a gut physical level, it. was. hideous to me.

So. After she looked at it again, they put in the speculum and cleaned my cervix with betadine. Then I had to cough twice – once for the shot of local anasthetic and once for the insertion of the tube. I expected this coughing business as it was what my RE had me do for the dye-up-the-tubes test several months ago. All of that was, while not pleasant, fine and relatively painless. Pinchy and yucky, but not bad.

She asked the nurse for the dilators and inserted something else vaguely pinchy. And then right away she started pumping. She was using some sort of manual pump and it cramped. It cramped a lot, but sort of like a worse version of bad menstrual cramps. I could stand it. I moaned just a bit. I took some deep breaths. It was OK.

And then she asked for the Number 7 Dilator which is my new nemesis. Inserting it hurt like a bitch. And then, pumping with the Number 7 Dilator was a WHOLE different level of pain. If I could have caught my breath and formed a sentence (I think I managed the weak word,  "hurts."), I would have asked if this was what labor was like during childbirth because that definitely crossed my mind and I was curious. But, like stereotypical childbirth, I was busy breathing. I couldn’t do anything except breathe. Otherwise I might have crabwalked backward away from the Number 7 Dilator and that suddenly strong-seeming pump.

And then she was done. And she put the dildo-cam back in to see if it was all gone. She explained that it can be hard to tell because of all the blood (Oh, how tortured I had been last night worrying about how it would have to pump out something actually connected to my uterus and HOW on earth would that happen and how gross was that!), but she thought it was all gone. She called the other doctor in to consult with her and they sort of pointed and head tilted and my doctor asked her, "Do you think I should do a third pass?"

And I was thinking PLEASE GOD DO NOT DO A THIRD PASS.

And the other doctor gave a firm no and that was it. They took everything out. Wes was whisked in. The doctor talked to us about what to expect as far as bleeding (up to 2 weeks, possibly 3 but they want to see me in 3 weeks to be sure it stops), and what they would be doing with the stuff they’d send to the lab. It will take 2 weeks to get results and the most likely scenario is a "sporadic chromosome" which just means the whole thing was random and the embryo was missing some important stuff and it was a fluke and doesn’t raise my likelihood of future miscarriage. There is also a possibility that it could be extra chromosome bits and then we would test my blood to see if it was from me or from the donor. And obviously, if it’s the donor, we will switch. There is also a slight chance that the cells they need won’t grow and we won’t be able to know anything. But she said that once a heartbeat is seen, that’s less likely. She also said that most cases where a heartbeat has been seen are the flukey sporadic things. But we’ll know more later. Information junkies that we are, this is HUGELY comforting to us.

I stayed on the table a bit longer because it was cramp-o-riffic in there, but eventually I tried sitting up and realized it felt better. Standing was better still, although I felt shaky and unsteady and weird. The valium, by the way, definitely made me a little woozy and surely helped my muscles not tense too much, but the experience of the suction thing was not the sort of thing you could just glide through on a valium cloud. It sort of woke you right up. Still, valium’s valium and I’m never one to turn down a good drug. It may be what’s allowing me to write this right now.

Then we got a cab home. My sister came over briefly and it made me happy as much because I love her as because she is having a really hard time with this and has grief of her own and I thought seeing us and seeing that I’m fine and as normal as is possible might be good. So I felt better that maybe she wouldn’t worry as much.

And now it is time for bed, I think. I feel totally zombie-like and imagine this could last a while. And, to be honest, it’s what happens after zombie-ville that scares me now.
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A note on language:

Number One Least Favorite Dead Baby-Related Phrase: "She lost the baby."
I did not LOSE the baby. I did not misplace it. It died.

Runner up: The term "miscarriage"
I did not somehow mis-carry the baby. I did not carry it poorly. I carried it just fine. It died.

I try to be sensitive to social mores. Most of the people I told today, I told I was miscarrying. But I didn’t like it. When possible, I said, "The baby died."

Language is important. Being careful and precise and honest with language is important. Weird misogynistic uses are everywhere. Just something to think about.

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Finally – I really can’t thank you all enough for your kind words. A special thank you to those of you who posted such kind things on your own blogs. I will never be able to express how grateful we are and how much it means to Wes and me.

This. is. really. hideous. crap.


34 Comments on “manual vacuum aspiration”

  1. jenny says:

    It is seriously hideous crap. Again, I’m incredibly sorry and sad for you. Also, (this might be weird) I am slightly jealous that you will get genetic information back. I never got and it weighs heavy on my mind late at night sometimes and did again today when the RE was talking to me about recurrent pregnancy loss and reasons for it.
    Anyway – I know how much it hurts. I also had that “get it out now!” feeling. I think it is totally normal and healthy to not want to carry a dead embryo around.
    ((hugs)) Please email me or comment on my blog or whatever if you need to. (furijen@yahoo.com)
    Jenny

  2. debbie says:

    As for the wording of your untelling, I couldn’t agree with you more.
    Believe it or not I loved that you cried, that you wailed because that is so helpful. I like that Wes rushed over and you weren’t alone but from what little I know of Wes I wouldn’t expect less ( my thoughts are with him)I also love that you shared your story.
    It helped me feel even more for you and that is so important that people feel for you so they don’t say stupid things like “at least you can get pregnant” Prepare to hear many stories because people who care, feel that telling their own story will help you. But we know that their story is not yours. Am I making sense? love you

  3. Wow, I am so glad they could get you in today. The limbo part is just unbearable.
    Now for the assvice. Did they do a beta yesterday or today? Because there are just way too many eerie similarities, and I think you should stay on top of the docs to make sure there’s not any freaky molar action. You need a follow-up beta to make sure your levels are dropping. (If you didn’t get a beta yesterday or today, you’ll need two follow-ups, one to be baseline and the second to tell what your hCG is actually doing.) This is not based on anything clinical, just Doppelness, and it’s exceedingly unlikely that there IS anything molar BUT if there were the sooner you find out the better.
    Keep taking care of yourself in whatever form that takes – dark humor, cigarettes, ice cream, whatever – and know that there are many, many friends and Internets out here thinking of you and wishing like hell there was something we could do to make it better.

  4. Estelle says:

    I’m so glad it’s over now. I can absolutely understand wanting it out as soon as possible. One thing I want to bring up, are you Rh-? If so, and the donor was positive, you still need a shot. No one told AJ this at her first m/c and she never got rhogam, the doctor said it wasn’t needed for miscarriages. He was wrong of course. Did this cause future problems? Who knows? I just wanted to throw it out.
    I’m glad the untelling was good for you. And yes, I also hate the term ‘lost’ the baby. You didn’t lose anything, it was taken from you. Huge difference.
    Love to you and Wes.

  5. shelli says:

    I think people sometimes just don’t know what to say.
    When my grandmother died 4 years ago, people asked how old she was. She was 90, but that didn’t matter. She still died. And it still sucked, no matter how old she was.
    When Narda’s mom died, they asked if she was “ill” or was it “sudden.” Or “maybe she’s in a better place.” Well maybe, but it still SUCKS. She’s dead.
    There should be a tact class in school for people to take, or we need to re-institue miss manners or something. I’ve sadly found that people just say the stupidist things sometimes, and I’m sorry for that, Bri.
    So I’ll jsut say that it sucks, and there’s lots of love coming your way from Manhattan…

  6. bri says:

    Jen – yes, they did a beta yesterday. I will be sure they do another one next time.
    Estelle – they asked me at least six times what my blood type was to make sure I wasn’t negative and even took my blood to be sure – the results weren’t back so finally I convinced them that I was REALLY sure I am A+.

  7. lagiulia says:

    You are absolutely amazing.
    And when you do crash and burn, I will be here.
    We love you both so much. Take care.

  8. Sophia says:

    As I wrote before, I am in awe and honored to know you. If you need me I’ll be there. The cupcake cafe is on my way down to your house. let me know, I have a crapload of hugs to give you from throughout the United States.

  9. Michele (FF) says:

    I just don’t know what to say, but I feel compelled to say something.
    My heart hurt for you when I read the news on the FF board. I couldn’t even respond because I couldn’t find the words. I still can’t.
    I cannot imagine what you have gone through and what you must be feeling. My heart and prayers are with you.
    I hope that you are surrounded with support, love and all the RIGHT words. HUGS.
    “crazymooshel”

  10. art-sweet says:

    Not that you need my opinion, but I wish Pili had taken this route, instead of the months of bleeding and uncertainty which have JUST FINALLY ENDED. I thank you for providing this account, in the midst of grief and pain, so that others can make a clearer decision.
    And I am sending you and Wes my biggest hugs. I’m so sorry this shit happened to you. It is so utterly uncalled for.
    hugs and love

  11. Jackie says:

    I’m so sorry for your loss.
    In July I miscarried, and I totally completely understand the “language problem”. When I was told, “Well it was only about 8 cells anyway” I just about died right along with my baby. And then, when I told someone I was offened by that, I got told, “she just doesn’t know what to say”. Well maybe, but HELLO, you DON”T say THAT, I don’t care who you are.
    Anyway, again, I’m really sorry, the next few weeks will be a hormone/emotional roller coaster, I wish there was more that I could do to help.
    (((((((((((hug)))))))))))

  12. Bill says:

    You both have been on my mind all day. And I’ll keep you there until I can see you both.
    much love.

  13. Mermaidgrrrl says:

    Oh sweetie – I’m so, so dreadfully sorry. I wish I was there to take you out for martinis and crying jags and blowing our noses on napkins in restaurants. This is absolutely the most fucked up news I’ve heard for a long time. This world is not fucking fair! I wish I had something helpful to say, but all I can do is keep blinking back sympathy tears and trying to wish you better from over the ocean. *massive cuddles*

  14. Martha says:

    I’m really glad you wrote about it. Around these parts (my office) we’ve had a lot of talks recently about pregnancy loss, and how our culture has NO IDEA how to deal with it. None. So the more we talk about it the closer we can come to having ways to talk about it and understand it, if that makes sense. Not make it better for women how have gone through it necessarily, but maybe make it so people will know more what to say and what’s a stupid fucking insensitive thing to say. Anyway, this is just to say that I know a lot of people who say that they were made to feel the should “just get over it.” Which is totally fucked up and impossible. Just know we all are here to listen to you get through it…which is a different thing.

  15. Catherine says:

    I’m here by way of Hydrangeas Are Pretty. I just wanted to say how very sorry I am.

  16. Brooke says:

    You are such an articulate writer; it’s amazing to me how coherently you have been able to record your feelings (& in some way retain a [dark] sense of humor regarding this whole gastly, hideous,tragic event). Like others have said, you have been in my thoughts – which may seem a wee bit weird as I’m a stranger, but it’s funny how strangers can touch one’s life.
    I understand about the importance of language. It’s hard, as people tend to feel an obligation to say something cheery & positive in the face of so much pain. Few people can really appreciate the fact that they can’t change anything & sometimes it’s better just to validate that the pain is there & that it’s enormous and overwhelming.
    This is heartbreaking; I hope that the act of writing about it is somehow cathartic and offers you at least a modicum of solace. Continuing to send you both tons of hugs.

  17. j says:

    Brave. Very brave. I get the distinct feeling that you will find you are stronger than you thought you were. I hope I’m right. Still thinking good thoughts for both you and Wes.

  18. hd says:

    I’m reading at school. You’re the only blog I can still get to, as the word “blog” is not in your address. Anyway, I’m sure I haven’t given this the attention I would have given it at home, but I have class tonight, and I wanted to say some things now. First, you’re right, the terminology for what has happened is indeed hideous. When my first pregnancy ended I simply told people I wasn’t pregnant anymore. Which brings me to two, that whole “well, at least you can get pregnant” thing is so asinine. My BEST. FRIEND. SAID. IT. She who got pregnant in one month both times she tried. Some people just don’t get it.
    You’ve been on my mind so much this week. Sorry doesn’t cut it, and it seems so inconsequential to say “I know what you’re going through,” but…as best I can, I do know. I was a total zombie (who also ate a LOT of Sweet 16 chocolate doughnuts and drank a lot of beer) for a long time–thankfully it was summer. I’m sending hope upon hope your way that somehow being at work will be okay for you right now.
    Know that while you’re going through the motions and climbing back into yourself in the next several weeks, there’s someone who cares about you in a scary red state down South.

  19. flmgodog says:

    De-lurking….I truly am sorry about this. I know how excited you were.
    Their honestly is nothing good to say.
    Now if I can type through my sobs I will say I have been there and I know what it feels like.
    It was so hard for me to read your entry for today with the specifics actually reliving what I have gone through. I have a little journal that I kept from one of the times I was pregnant and I kept every detail in it up to the day we had it evacuated. Sometimes it helps to go back and read it.
    Horrible…I am glad you have Wes and sorry you had to go through this.
    Take care

  20. Kate says:

    Bri – I’ve never posted here before, although I read the blog regularly. I don’t know what there is to say except how terribly sorry I am. My heart goes out to you and Wes. I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through this.

  21. sarzini says:

    Your comments on language are spot on. I absolutely hate the words “lost” or “miscarry”. Sadly people just don’t know what to say about death or miscarriages and do say stupid shit.
    I hadn’t thought about my MVA procedure in a while but your writing definitely brought me back to that place in time. I too went to work and functioned as it is so much better than sitting around. Just go through the motions and the highs and lows to get to the other side. Some of us who read your journal know what you are going through and I know I wish I could do more for you and Wes to ease this craptastic time you both are going through.

  22. I’m really glad you wrote about this and got it out. So many women feel like they can’t talk about what this is like.
    Sending you love from Minnesota.

  23. Katty says:

    I’m so sorry for the whole horrible everything. I wish you strength. I am sorry.

  24. Lorem ipsum says:

    Hi – Visiting from HD’s blog…
    Sending you a blanket of warmth and consolation and good things as you get through this horrible time. I’m so sorry.

  25. Cali says:

    Oh Bri, I just can’t imagine how shitty this has been for you & Wes. It just feels so wrong. I am thinking of you both.
    xoxo

  26. Jude says:

    You don’t know me, but I am SO SO sorry for all of this. You are in my thoughts.

  27. Sue says:

    Really heartbreaking. I feel terrible for you.

  28. Lyrehca says:

    I’m so sorry for your experience. Thank you for writing all the details; your experience will undoubtedly help other women in the future wondering exactly what to expect for this kind of procedure. Hoping the long weekend gives you a good chunk of time for you and Wes to heal and grieve.

  29. Bethany says:

    i don’t think that any words would help during something like this, but i just wanted to leave you a little note to let you know that plently of people out there are thinking about and praying for you and your family. i’m so sorry about what has happened. i know that we may not know each other but your in my thoughts and prayers. i wish the best for you. <3 – bethany

  30. Liza says:

    I am so sorry for your loss. And thank you so much for sharing such personal and intimate details so that others might find some comfort there in the future.

  31. julia says:

    I’m here from art-sweet’s.
    I’m so sorry to hear about your baby. I had a miscarriage at 14 weeks and know how devastating it is. It happened two and a half years ago and I still grieve about it. I think the zombie analogy is apt and if and when the crying to the heavens stuff happens, go with it. It kind of helps.
    Thanks for sharing your story.
    julia

  32. Kath says:

    Dear Bri, I just came over from Calliope’s. I’m so sorry. I wish you healing and love.

  33. thalia says:

    I’m on the telling and untelling thing. It’s been so much easier to be able to be honest with (some) people than to cover the whole thing up.
    Your description makes me glad they knock you out with a general for the equivalent procedure in the UK. YOu are one brave woman.

  34. Kim says:

    Bri, I just came over from Shelli’s site. I just want to tell you I’m so sorry. I’m grateful that you took the time to write it all down and share it. The truth is helpful, and in this loss you are helping others. I’ve been on the loss side 2 times too many and found your outright crying to be so wonderful. I wish I could have been so free. Time will pass (a horrible thing to say) and it will ease up. I only say that because I’ve been there.
    Thanks too for sharing the joke between you and Wes. My Dp and I find ourselves laughing at the most macbre things regarding our losses, maybe not appropriate for others, but for us healing! You list of things not to say is hopefully really picked up by those who haven’t been there. The worst comment I got on the loss of our daughter who we got by a Donor at a clinic, was “Do you get your money back from the clinic?” Sometimes it’s better to laugh than to kill:)
    Oh, I loved too what you said about grief, it doesn’t go away, it changes, and some changes are better to happen before moving on.
    Best to you,
    Kim a.k.a. Puppysmama

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